“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.”
8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered
11 We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand.
6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance.
10 God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. 11 We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, so that what you hope for may be fully realized. 12 We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.
Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,
And I'm not talkin' about the pie in the sky
That you good boys and girls get in the by and by
But rather the strength, the strength that we can find
If we've got the guts to try
This is why a man as holy as He
Had to die on Calvary
It was the only way that we could ever see
The Heaven in His eyes
1Every high priest is a man chosen to represent other people in their dealings with God. He presents their gifts to God and offers sacrifices for their sins. 2And he is able to deal gently with ignorant and wayward people because he himself is subject to the same weaknesses. 3That is why he must offer sacrifices for his own sins as well as theirs. 4And no one can become a high priest simply because he wants such an honor. He must be called by God for this work, just as Aaron was. 5That is why Christ did not honor himself by assuming he could become High Priest. No, he was chosen by God, who said to him, "You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.*"
sassy1506 wrote:11 We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand.
One of the first times I went to my friend's youth group, the youth pastor said something about how God makes it so we thirst for Him. Which I get. But then he said that after a while, if we keep ignoring Him, we've gotten so used to it that we don't thirst for it anymore. It's like this. We don't try to understand Him anymore.
14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to public disgrace.
Is it actually possible to lose your salvation?
Steph wrote:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to public disgrace.
So what do you guys think about this passage? Is it actually possible to lose your salvation? In the study notes in my Bible, one of the interpretations of this passage is that it refers to people who professed to be Christians, went through the motions, but were never actually truly saved. It also refers back to the Israelites who never made it to the promised land: "As Israel could not enter the promised land after spying out the region and tasting its fruit, so the professing Hebrew Christians would not be able to repent if they adamantly turned against "the light" they had received." Also, in verse 9 it says: "Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are confident of better things in your case - things that accompany salvation." That seems to me that the author is saying that he believes the people he is writing to are truly saved, but is giving a warning to any of the "posers" in the crowd.
Ephesians 2:8-9 "8God saved you by his grace when you BELIEVED. And you can't take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it."
1 John 5:4 "4For every child of God defeats this evil world, and we achieve this victory through our FAITH.
Hebrews 11:6 "6And it is impossible to please God without FAITH. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him."
John 1:12-13 "12But to all who BELIEVED him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.
Galatians 5:4 "4For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God BY KEEPING THE LAW, you have been cut off from Christ! You have FALLEN AWAY from God's GRACE.
Romans 11:20-21 "20Yes, but remember—those branches were broken off because they didn't BELIEVE in Christ, and you are there because you do BELIEVE. So don't think highly of yourself, but FEAR WHAT COULD HAPPEN. 21For if God did not spare the original branches, he won't* spare you either.
Colossians 1:23 " 23But you must continue to BELIEVE this truth and stand firmly in it. Don't DRIFT AWAY from the assurance you received when you heard the Good News."
Hebrews 3:13-14 "13You must warn each other every day, while it is still "today," so that none of you will be deceived by sin and hardened against God. 14For IF we are FAITHFUL to the end, TRUSTING God just as firmly as when we first BELIEVED, we will share in all that belongs to Christ."
Revelation 2:4-5 " 4"But I have this complaint against you. You don't love me or each other as you did at first!* 5Look how far you have FALLEN! Turn back to me and do the works you did at first. If you don't repent, I will come and REMOVE your lampstand from its place among the churches."
Revelation 3:1-5 "1"Write this letter to the angel* of the church in Sardis. This is the message from the one who has the sevenfold Spirit* of God and the seven stars: "I know all the things you do, and that you have a reputation for being alive—but you are dead. 2Wake up! Strengthen what little remains, for even what is left is almost dead. I find that your actions do not meet the requirements of my God. 3Go back to what you heard and BELIEVED at first; hold to it firmly. Repent and turn to me again. If you don't wake up, I will come to you suddenly, as unexpected as a thief. 4"Yet there are some in the church in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes with evil. They will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. 5All who are victorious will be clothed in white. I will never ERASE their names from the Book of Life, but I will announce before my Father and his angels that they are mine.
John 10:26-29 "26But you don't BELIEVE me because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will NEVER PERISH. No one can snatch them away from me, 29for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else.* NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM from the Father's hand."
Romans 8:38-39 " 38And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God's love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,* neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God's love. 39No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Philippians 1:6 "6And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns."
Ric wrote:It hit me, this topic of faith... I just told God I wish I had as much faith in me as He did. Then it REALLY hit me that He still believes in me, seeing how I'm still alive and well. The Canaanites? The Philistines? God finally had enough of their wickedness - He no longer had faith in them, so to speak - and they were utterly destroyed, wiped off the face of the earth, decimated! So yeah, I'm glad He hasn't given up on me.
WanderingStar wrote:And thank you for going into so much detail, Kevin. I have turned Hebrews 6 inside out in both Greek and English (if anyone really wants more information on the Greek syntax and how that changes the passage, let me know and I'll summarize), but having a step-by-step walk through of the issue helps me think through it a lot. Thanks again.
Kevin Young wrote:WanderingStar wrote:And thank you for going into so much detail, Kevin. I have turned Hebrews 6 inside out in both Greek and English (if anyone really wants more information on the Greek syntax and how that changes the passage, let me know and I'll summarize), but having a step-by-step walk through of the issue helps me think through it a lot. Thanks again.
Are you kidding me? "If anyone really wants more info on the Greek syntax and how that changes the passage........" Ummmmmmmm this is me officially saying I really want more information on that. I can't believe you made me ask I love it when you share with us your Greek knowledge. It is always mind-blowing.
I can't wait. Thanks Dr. Mary. Really... Thanks
Kevin Young wrote:Are you kidding me? "If anyone really wants more info on the Greek syntax and how that changes the passage........" Ummmmmmmm this is me officially saying I really want more information on that. I can't believe you made me ask I love it when you share with us your Greek knowledge. It is always mind-blowing.
I can't wait. Thanks Dr. Mary. Really... Thanks
Hebrews 6:4-6, the Mary translation wrote:4 For it is impossible for those once enlightened, having tasted the free gift of heaven and having become partners with the Holy Spirit, 5 and having tasted good words of God and the power for the coming age, 6 and ([if] they fall away), to restore again in repentance, because they crucify the son of God and hold him up in public disgrace.
Steph wrote:I love learning more historical kind of background when it comes to the Bible. Thanks, Mary! Did you study theology in college?
Lainie wrote:...you made my brain hurt! Lol...
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