penaoustal. ( i know i cant spell)

[Nicholas]

Who here is penacousal? And for those of u who are who is filled with the holy ghost with evedence of speaking in tons?

[Polish Tom]

bunch of people here are.
I go to a Pentecostal church (AG), but I don't speak in tongues
Just hasn't happened yet

[KaintBkwite]

I'm Pentecostal. I was raised Assemblies of God, but the church I attend now has it's roots based out of the Church of God organization, although our church is technically considered non-denominational because we're a separated ministry organization.

I've had the Holy Ghost since I was saved at the age of 5. But the gift of tongues manifested in my life at the age of 9. It wasn't until I was in my 30's that I understood the difference of receiving the Holy Spirit when Christ comes to live inside us and the subsequent manifestation of the gifts of that same Holy Ghost (1 Cor 12), one of them being tongues.



K~

[drumzilla1]

I don't consider myself pentecostal as that is purely a denominational tag. I haven't received the gift of interpretation but I have prophsied in tongues on a few occasions. I'm probably a little more laid back on this issue tha a lot of others. Mostly I pray in tongues in my prayer closet or when I'm praying over someone who has special needs. It's so cool because I know the holy spirit is helping me pray exactly what needs to be said to the father.

[Jody McPunchyouintheface]

i pray in the spirit, tongues, everyday. i could not make it through the day with out it.

[loudnhevy]

I'm not Pentecostal, but I believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit and in the gifts of the Spirit. I don't "speak in toungues".

[Katie]

its so interesting when I hear other people at church speaking in tongues. It seems like an awesome gift from god

[Catchafire]

i'm confused. it is a gift that God only gives to Pentecostals, or can anyone do it, and how? Is it just something you choose to do when you want to do it? I'm confuzzled

[Polish Tom]

Anyone can have it.
I know plenty of "Baptists & Methodists" that can speak in tongues as well.

[osu122975]

I have a question. Does each person in here who claims to speak in tongues realize they are doing this? Do you understand what you are saying? Is it a known language? Is there someone there to interpret if you don't know what you are saying? Can you speak in tongues any time you want or does this come upon you suddenly as the Spirit gives you the ability?

I ask because I am a doubter of this gift still being in use today and especially the reverance the Pentecostal/Charismatic churches give to this gift.

[sandra]

I have a question. Does each person in here who claims to speak in tongues realize they are doing this? Do you understand what you are saying? Is it a known language? Is there someone there to interpret if you don't know what you are saying? Can you speak in tongues any time you want or does this come upon you suddenly as the Spirit gives you the ability?

I ask because I am a doubter of this gift still being in use today and especially the reverance the Pentecostal/Charismatic churches give to this gift.

the bible tells us how to speak in tongues. is there someone there to interpret? if not... it can't be of God because no one is interpreting. if it's not going the way the bible is saying, then it's not of God.

[SevenFaith]

Does each person in here who claims to speak in tongues realize they are doing this?

Of course as much as I realize I am saying anything else.

Do you understand what you are saying?

Sometimes but the point is more of a prayer language (unless in Church) so God knows what you pray and you are praying according to his will. So I dont have to know.

Is it a known language?

Yes most I have ever known are. They vary in what language they are but have heard of people being on missionary trips and the people there spoke the language of the person speaking in tongues and understood every word.

Is there someone there to interpret if you don't know what you are saying?

There are rules about how that should be done in church and those should be followed. Otherwise it is just you and God so he knows and no one else is involved.

Can you speak in tongues any time you want or does this come upon you suddenly as the Spirit gives you the ability?

Yes as freely as I can decide to say Dog.

Love is what should be important to churches. Some pentacostal churches may put too much importance on tongues but all dont. It is not criteria to gain salvation or proof of salvation and does not mean one has the Holy Spirit and one doesnt. It does not make one Christian better or holier than another. I got the Holy Spirit the day I got saved. In each demonation there are criticisms that could be discussed like lack of love, too much legalism, following of man rather than God, and some just outright error. A lot of times the ones that put too much emphasis on a certain area in each demonation are the ones that make the most noise so they are what people usually assume each church within that demonation believes or stands for. That is not true.

[Polish Tom]

Good response, 7

[osu122975]

I'm curious of something, if tongues are still in use today, then why don't we have more people out there who can speak in these tongues anytime they want going to different countries and preaching the Gospel message in the native tongue of these different countries? If this is the case, I would say anyone who can speak in a known language should get on a plane and go preach the Gospel message. I know if I had that ability to speak in a language not native to me but it is to others, I know I would go. Seems funny to me all these Christians in our country who have the ability to speak in a foreign language whenever they want never go to preach the Gospel abroad.

I don't say this as a knock on anyone, but I contest the legitimacy of genuine biblical tongues in use today. This is one of the reasons why I do. If some have the ability, we ought to be ashamed of not using it to spread the Gospel to other countries.

[SevenFaith]

I have heard of many who do go to other countries and use them. But actually they are to be interpretated in Church and other than that they are a prayer language. If they were just so foreigners could hear us and know what we say and hear the gospel why would we need an interpretor? There would be no reason for that biblical instruction if they were not an unknown language to us.
That is not the way the bible instructs us to use them. So if I was to say speaking in tongues means you have to go speak that to the world so they can understand you that would be unbiblical to me.

It is each persons right to believe in the gift of tongues for today or not. I have my reasons and am confident in my belief. I feel I am doing what God wants me to do but I understand you are uncomfortable with it. I am not going to try to convince anyone I am right and they are wrong. I dont think that. This is just what I believe.

[osu122975]

I have heard of many who do go to other countries and use them. But actually they are to be interpretated in Church and other than that they are a prayer language. If they were just so foreigners could hear us and know what we say and hear the gospel why would we need an interpretor? There would be no reason for that biblical instruction if they were not an unknown language to us.
That is not the way the bible instructs us to use them. So if I was to say speaking in tongues means you have to go speak that to the world so they can understand you that would be unbiblical to me.

It is each persons right to believe in the gift of tongues for today or not. I have my reasons and am confident in my belief. I feel I am doing what God wants me to do but I understand you are uncomfortable with it. I am not going to try to convince anyone I am right and they are wrong. I dont think that. This is just what I believe.

Within the walls of the church, tongues were to be demonstrated in a certain order. This we know. But what was the purpose of speaking in a different language? To edify. Edify who? Those within the church. But how could a diverse group of people who spoke several different languages be edified as a whole? There was a need for an interpreter. Otherwise, people might say we are out of our minds. This is one way tongues was used.

Another way was on the Day of Pentecost, when all who were there could each understand in their own language. This wasn't within the walls of the church and wasn't for edification or even prayer language. It was for the benefit of those there to see the power of God, that His desire was for His people to hear the Gospel message and so be saved. It wasn't for edification, but for the purpose of salvation and furthering the Gospel.

If someone prays in a tongue, then that is to be kept between them and God and not within the walls of the church. It is to be kept between them and God and no one else.

If tongues were still in use, there would not have been the difficulty in translating the scriptures to every language in the world. But those who did so had to work extremely hard and sacrifice much in order to make that happen. You know, maybe God should not have confused the languages of the world. I wonder what His purpose was in that? LOL!!!!! Just kidding. He is in control and someday, we will find out.

I believe the sole purpose of tongues was for a short time to establish the Gospel message within the churches until the Word of God became whole. (1 Cor. 13:10)

By the way, I love the way you handle yourself. Very mature, unlike me at times. I thank you for that and I apologize if I'm not being tactful in my message. I wish we could be face to face so that my sincerity and gentleness of voice and demeanor could be seen by you that you woudn't be offended by me.

[SevenFaith]

I am not offended by your post. If Christians cant communicate and learn from each other and even disagree at times but still love we are really a mess.

I agree with you about the Day of Pentecost and why I think it is good of ones who do use it in foreign lands and with different cultures. That is another example of how they were used. It is example but not how they are instructed to be used is what I was referring to but I see your point.

Without being too long maybe I can explain in short format why I believe tongues are for today. I was raised in a DEAD church who never mentioned Jesus when we did go. When I got saved over 11 years ago (at a Disciple concert lol).. the venue was a ministry. It was the only church I knew so they wanted me to come back Sunday. I did since it was all I knew.. That first Sunday they told me I needed the baptism of the Holy Spirit and to speak in tongues. They were the only Christians I knew so I believed what they were telling me was right. I have had the ability to speak in tongues every since.. shortly after some BAD things went on at that church and we left. I was just learning to study and read on my own what the bible says. I heard the arguement that it is not for today. Problem with that for me was I could. I spent a indepth amount of time and Prayer. Honest hard deep prayer to know that what I did was what God wanted. In that first few months as a christian and into the first year.. I prayed that if it was not of God take it away. Through much confirmation and study God showed me that it was from him. Sometimes "bad" people can preach a message and people get saved but that doesnt change the fact they believed and got saved. God showed me eventhough that church had problems what I prayed for from him. I know some believe differently but if I was unsure of what God has put in my heart I would too paranoid to use it. It would bother me. I feel confident in it only after searching for myself and seeking God on it. I dont know that is for everybody but I know what it means for me. As a prayer language sometimes when I am speechless and dont know what to say. And I feel burdened I can use that and I feel better and edified. I dont know every purpose God has for it today but only what is between me and him.

That is the short version but I jut wanted to explain why I believe.

You handle yourself very well. You always have as far as I can remember and even if not every time we are all human here and sometimes we let human emotions control us. I try not to let that happen and ask forgiveness if I do or have. You are very much the gentleman. God bless you for your kind words and I enjoy discussing with you. I by no means claim to have all the answers or the "right" way. I just feel sure I am on the path God laid for me (flaws and falling down at times of course) lol...

[osu122975]

I am not offended by your post. If Christians cant communicate and learn from each other and even disagree at times but still love we are really a mess.

I agree with you about the Day of Pentecost and why I think it is good of ones who do use it in foreign lands and with different cultures. That is another example of how they were used. It is example but not how they are instructed to be used is what I was referring to but I see your point.

Without being too long maybe I can explain in short format why I believe tongues are for today. I was raised in a DEAD church who never mentioned Jesus when we did go. When I got saved over 11 years ago (at a Disciple concert lol).. the venue was a ministry. It was the only church I knew so they wanted me to come back Sunday. I did since it was all I knew.. That first Sunday they told me I needed the baptism of the Holy Spirit and to speak in tongues. They were the only Christians I knew so I believed what they were telling me was right. I have had the ability to speak in tongues every since.. shortly after some BAD things went on at that church and we left. I was just learning to study and read on my own what the bible says. I heard the arguement that it is not for today. Problem with that for me was I could. I spent a indepth amount of time and Prayer. Honest hard deep prayer to know that what I did was what God wanted. In that first few months as a christian and into the first year.. I prayed that if it was not of God take it away. Through much confirmation and study God showed me that it was from him. Sometimes "bad" people can preach a message and people get saved but that doesnt change the fact they believed and got saved. God showed me eventhough that church had problems what I prayed for from him. I know some believe differently but if I was unsure of what God has put in my heart I would too paranoid to use it. It would bother me. I feel confident in it only after searching for myself and seeking God on it. I dont know that is for everybody but I know what it means for me. As a prayer language sometimes when I am speechless and dont know what to say. And I feel burdened I can use that and I feel better and edified. I dont know every purpose God has for it today but only what is between me and him.

That is the short version but I jut wanted to explain why I believe.

You handle yourself very well. You always have as far as I can remember and even if not every time we are all human here and sometimes we let human emotions control us. I try not to let that happen and ask forgiveness if I do or have. You are very much the gentleman. God bless you for your kind words and I enjoy discussing with you. I by no means claim to have all the answers or the "right" way. I just feel sure I am on the path God laid for me (flaws and falling down at times of course) lol...

I'm curious, are the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues considered the same thing in the church you attended or were they seperate events? What would they have said if you never spoke in tongues? Could everyone in that church speak in tongues and if not, what was said of them? I guess I don't see in scripture seperate events.

I thought that what was written in Acts 8:12-17 supported that, but even that event boggles my mind. These people believed the Gospel message with joy and were baptized, yet the Holy Spirit had not come upon them until Peter and John had laid hands on them, and then they began to speak in tongues as evidence that the Spirit was in them. Now, the Word says that they had not yet received the Spirit, but the Bible teaches that once we believe, there is an indwelling of the Spirit and our hearts have been regenerated giving us eternal life by faith in Jesus Christ. There seems to be some conflict here.

I guess I should find out where in scripture it describes the indwelling of the Spirit upon faith in Jesus Christ. I never noticed this before, but it seems that any time evidence of the Spirit thru tongues came when an Apostle was present.

[SevenFaith]

At that church they were the same thing. As for the other questions I dont know. I left there shortly after and didnt know everything they taught or practiced. As far as I remember not everyone could and I dont remember them being spoken bad of.

For me I will explain it this way. As K had said about the Spirit being manifest. I will just explain as from that day...I prayed for evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit by speaking in tongues (because that is what the prayer states).. did I have the Holy Spirit inside already? Yes. And as I said I dont think it means I have evidence I have something better than another.. I prayed for the "evidence" to appear and believed it so I received it. I got what I prayed for.

It is not seperate events in that you get the HS at a different time. It is like having love inside and then acting on it.. or gaining the confidence to build a rocket eventhough you had the knowledge inside already... I think the church is all part of the body of Christ. We are all different but EQUAL parts of that body. Maybe some never speak in tongues because they dont need that confidence to build the rocket.. does that make sense? lol Maybe they have the tools from the HS inside to do what God planned for them already...In calling it a prayer language maybe some pray in their normal language..I think God equipped me for what he wanted me to do. He equips all of us. What I need and what you need only he knows.

Some carry the baptism of the HS too far and make it almost you are not saved without it. A lot of teachings get taken to extremes by some. This one is no different. Some take things to such extremes as taking scriptures to form the KKK or used by Jim Jones. Of course some many abuse the scriptures and importance (or lack of importance) of this too.

[osu122975]

That teaching about not being saved without evidence of the HS thru the use of tongues was something that really bothered me. I have heard of that and I guess that's partially why I fight so hard against the teachings of tongues in use today. Unfortunately, sometimes certain doctrines get linked together when a group of people get too extreme and no longer consider the Word of God to be applied to what they are doing. I think there is a lot done by people manifested by the flesh and definitely not of the Spirit. I guess if I saw someone being slain in the spirit or making goofy noises or running the aisles yelling and screaming, I guess I would probably consider them either nuts or demon possessed. I've never read in scripture those types of things happening.